We are located on Dakota land. Between the ground and the feast is where I live now. That really spoke to me, on my sofa. So maybe just to use a natural world metaphor to just dip our toes into the water, would you read Sanctuary? And I feel like theres a level of mystery thats allowed in the poem that feels like, Okay, I can maybe read this into it, I can put myself into it, and it becomes sort of its own thing. Come back, in an endless cave, the song that says my bones [laughs]. Theres a lot of different People. My mother says, Oh yeah, you say that now.. Limn: When I lived in New York City, my two best friends, I would always try to get them to go to yoga with me. Yeah. And this is about your childhood, right? I feel like that between space, that liminal space, is a place where we were living for so long, and many of us still living in that between space of, How do I go into the world safely, and how do I move through the world with safety and care-take myself and care-take others. Yeah, Ive got a lot of feelings moving through me. Yet whats most stunning is how presciently and exquisitely Ocean spoke, and continues to speak, to the world we have since come to inhabit its heartbreak and its poetry, its possibilities for loss and for finding new life. is the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. I have a lot of poems that basically are that. And its continual and that it hits you sometimes. Tippett: And you have said that you fell in love with poetry in high school. And I feel like theres a level of mystery thats allowed in the poem that feels like, Okay, I can maybe read this into it, I can put myself into it, and it becomes sort of its own thing. Just uncertainty is so hard on our bodies. and what I do not say is: I trust the world to come back. I have people who ask me, How do you write poems? And you talk about process. When you open the page, theres already silence. Before the apple tree. So I love it when I feel like the conversations Im having start to be in conversation with each other. You said there in a place, as Ive aged, I have more time for tenderness, for the poems that are so earnest they melt your spine a little. I am human, enough I am alone and I am desperate, enough of the animal saving me, enough of the high. And this poem was basically a list of all the poems I didnt think I could write, because it was the early days of the pandemic, and I kept thinking, just that poetry had kind of given up on me, I guess. Its a source of a spiritual thoughtfulness that runs through this conversation with Krista. Replenishment and invigoration in your inbox. Lean Spirituality. What were talking about and not when we talk about mental health. I am too used to nostalgia now, a sweet escape, of age. Its Spanish and English, and Im trying, and Ill look at him and be like, How much degrees is it?. Like, Oh, take a deep breath. Then we get annoyed when it works, too. Only my head is for you. You boiled it down. And I wonder if you think about your teenage self, who fell in love with poetry. In the modern western world, vocation was equated with work. Before I bury him, I snap a photo and beg, my brother and my husband to witness this, nearly clear body. The bright side is not talked about. If you had thought about it And you said that this would be the poem that would mean that you would never be Poet Laureate. Becoming Wise: An Inquiry into the Mystery and Art of Living. It began as "Speaking of Faith" in July 2003, and was renamed On Being in 2010. I also think aging is underrated. This conversational nature of reality indeed, this drama of vitality is something we have all been shown, willing or unwilling, in these years. If you think about it, its not a good And the title comes from when youre planting a tree and youre looking for where the sun is the right space, you can draw where the circles are, and theyll tell you to plant where the circles overlap. Limn: Yeah. This conversation shines a light on an emerging ecosystem in our world over and against the drumbeat of what is fractured and breaking: working with the complex fullness of reality, and cultivating old and new ways of seeing, to move towards a transformative wholeness of living. Seems like a good place for a close-eyed We live in a world in love with the form of words that is an opinion and the way with words that is an argument. Krista Tippett, host of award-winning NPR program "On Being", and poet David Whyte discusses several of the life-sized concepts addressed in Tippet's book, _. And I know that when I discovered it for myself as a teenager that I thought, Oh, this is more like music where its like something is expressing itself to you and you are expressing yourself to it. We have been in the sun. Yeah. And I feel like its very interesting when you actually have to get away from it, because you can also do the other thing where you focus too much on the breath. I write the year, seems like a year you So Sundays were a different kind of practice, if you will, a different kind of observation. Yeah. the ground and the feast is where I live now. if we declared a clean night, if we stopped being terrified. like water, elemental, and best when its humbled, [laughs] Oh my. Limn: Yeah, I was convinced. My body is for me. [audience laughter] And it really struck me that how much I was like, How do I move through this world? Remembering what it is to be a body, I think to be a woman who moves through the world with a body, who gets commented on the body. So that even when youre talking about the natural world: we are of it not in it. All year, in an oblivion-is-coming sort of way. wind? This is a gift. And that reframing was really important to me. She is a former host of the poetry podcast The Slowdown, and she teaches in the MFA program at Queens University of Charlotte, in North Carolina. Wisdom Practices and Digital Retreats (Coming in 2023). The poets brain is always like that, but theres a little I was just doing the wash, and I was like, Casual, warm, and normal. And I was like, Ooh, I could really go for that.. Yeah. Interesting. [Music: Seven League Boots by Zo Keating]. Many of us were having different experiences. Or, Im suffering, or Right. How are you?. Limn: Yeah. Why that color? Was there a religious or spiritual background in your childhood there, however you would describe that now? by even the ageless woods, the shortgrass plains, They are honoring and recovering the fullness of the human experience the life of the mind, the truth of the body, the wild mystery of the spirit, and our need for each other. Can you locate that? What happens after we die? And she says, Well, you die, and you get to be part of the Earth, and you get to be part of what happens next. And it was just a very sort of matter-of-fact way of looking at the world. No, really I was. chaotic track. Enough of osseous and chickadee and sunflower. I guess maybe you had to quit doing that since you had this new job. . of the kneeling and the rising and the looking So I think there was a lot of, not only was it music, but then it was music in Spanish. So can we just engage in this intellectual exercise with you because its completely fascinating and Im not sure whats going on, and Id like you to tell me. Listen Download Transcript. [laughter] I was so fascinated when I read the earlier poem. enough chiaroscuro, enough of thus and prophecy for the safety of others, for earth, Tippett: Just back to this idea that there is this organic automatically breathing thing of which were part, and that we even have to rediscover that. With an unexpected and exuberant mix of gravity and laughter laughter of delight, and of blessed relief this conversation holds not only what we have traversed these last years, but how we live forward. We keep forgetting about Antlia, Centaurus, But mostly were forgetting were dead stars too, my mouth is full, of dust and I wish to reclaim the rising, to lean in the spotlight of streetlight with you, toward. We touch each other. We speak the language of questions. And it felt like this is the language of reciprocity. What Amanda has been gathering by way of answers to that question is an extraordinary gift to us all. And we think, Well, what are we supposed to do with that silence? And we read naturally for meaning. One of the most fascinating developments of our time is that human qualities we have understood in terms of virtue experiences weve called spiritual are now being taken seriously by science as intelligence as elements of human wholeness. And: advance invitations and news on all things On Being, of course. What would happen if we used our bodies to bargain. So its a very special place. We meet longings for justice and healing by equipping for reflection, repair, and joy. People will ask me a lot about my process and it is, like I said, silence. Yeah. if we launched our demands into the sky, made ourselves so big It unfolded at the Ted Mann Concert Hall in Minneapolis, in collaboration with Northrop at the University of Minnesota and Ada Limns publisher, Milkweed Editions. So it had this kind of wonderful way of existing in an aliveness of a language, aliveness of a second language as opposed to just sort of a need to get something or to use. could save the hireling and the slave? Where being at ease is not okay. Or theres just something happens and you get all of a sudden for it to come flooding back. Once, I sang it at homecoming and threw I just saw her. But I mean, Ive listened to every podcast shes done, so Im aware. [laughs] I get four parents that come to the school nights. And I felt like I was not brave enough to own that for myself. If you are here, you are likely already part of this. And it feels important to me whenever Im in a room right now and I havent been in that many rooms with this many people sitting close together that we all just acknowledge that even if we all this exact same configuration of human beings had sat in this exact room in February 2020, and were back now, were changed at a cellular level. And it felt like this is the language of reciprocity. fact-like take the trowel, plant the limp body Ive got a bone Limn: There was a bit of like, Eww, lover. [laughter], Easy light storms in through the window, soft I have decided that Im here in this world to be moved by love and [to] let myself be moved by beauty. Which is such a wonderful mission statement. And: advance invitations and news on all things On Being, of course, Enough of us across all of our differences see that we have a world to remake. And enough so that actually, as I would always sort of interrogate her about her beliefs and, Do you think this, do you think that? On Being with Krista Tippett On Being Studios Poetry Unbound On Being Studios Becoming Wise On Being Studios This Movie Changed Me On Being Studios Creating Our Own Lives On Being Studios More ways to shop: Find an Apple Store or other retailer near you. I love it. Yet her lifelong struggle with Crohns Disease and her pioneering work with cancer patients shaped her view of life. Tippett: Were back at the natural world of metaphors and belonging. Limn: Yes. A season of big, new, beautiful On Being conversations is here. And its true. [laughter]. And I wonder if you think about your teenage self, who fell in love with poetry. to pick with whoever is in charge. It was interesting to me to realize how people turned to you in pandemic because of who you are, it sounds like. And that was in shorter supply than one would think. The thesis has never been exile. Yeah. Tippett: this is how vitality looks like. And this poem was basically a list of all the poems I didnt think I could write, because it was the early days of the pandemic, and I kept thinking, just that poetry had kind of given up on me, I guess. Sometimes it sounds, sometimes its image, sometimes its a note from a friend with the word lover. And when people describe you as a poet, theyll talk about things about intimacy and emotional sincerity and your observations of the natural world. Supporting organizations and initiatives that uphold a sacred relationship with life on Earth. How am I? You could really go to some deep places if you really interrogated the self. , and she teaches in the MFA program at Queens University of Charlotte, in North Carolina. Yeah. Articles by Krista Tippett on Muck Rack. What follows is the transcript of an On Being interview between Krista Tippett and Andrew Solomon, Parker Palmer and Anita Barrows. Yeah, because its made with words, but its also sensory and its bodily. Tippett: A lot of them are in the On Being studio, they come in the mail. Alex Cochran, Deseret News. And you mentioned that when you wrote this, when was it that you wrote it? I think there was also he also was a singer, so he would just sing. Tippett: [laughs] Yeah. 1. She hosts the On Being podcast and leads The On Being Project, a non-profit media and public life initiative that pursues deep thinking and moral imagination, social courage and joy, towards the renewal of inner life, outer life, and life together. Krista interviewed her in 2015, and it quickly became a much-loved show as her voice was just rising in common life. And the right habitat for that, for all human flourishing, is for us to begin with a sense of belonging, with a sense of ease, with a sense that even though we are desirous and even though we want all of these things, right now, being alive, being human is enough. Tippett: I dont expect you to have the page number memorized. I am too used to nostalgia now, a sweet escape. us, still right now, a softness like a worn fabric of a nightshirt. cigarette smoke or expertise in recipes or Tippett: Something I remember reading is that you grew up in an English-speaking household, but your paternal grandfather spoke Spanish and that you just loved to listen to him. Find them at fetzer.org. And: advance invitations and news on all things On Being, of course, The On Being Project Thats really hard. Amanda Ripley began her life as a journalist covering crime, disaster, and terrorism. And honestly, this feels to me like if I were teaching a college class, I would have somebody read this poem and say, Discuss.. So, On Preparing the Body for a Reopened World.. But let me say, I was taken But you said I dont know, I just happened to be I saw you again today. people could point to us with the arrows they make in their minds. And I think for all of us, kind of mark this, which is important. You should take a nap.. Yeah. Suppose its easy to slip She loves human beings. Because I was teaching on Zoom, and I was just a face, and I found myself being very comfortable with just being a face, and with just being a head. I feel like theres so many elements to that discovery. Because I was teaching on Zoom, and I was just a face, and I found myself being very comfortable with just being a face, and with just being a head. So it felt right to listen again to one of our most beloved shows of this post-2020 world. I could be both an I And he had a little cage, I would make sure he was And he would get bundled up and carried from house to house. And I think its in that category. But I think the biggest thing for me is to begin with silence. is an independent nonprofit production of The On Being Project. Tippett: And then a trauma of the pandemic was that our breathing became a danger to strangers and beloveds. Krista Tippett is Peabody Award-winning broadcaster and New York Times best-selling author. Easy light storms in through the window, soft, edges of the world, smudged by mist, a squirrels, nest rigged high in the maple. It brings us back to something your grandmother was right about, for reasons she would never have imagined: you are what you eat. And I think about that all the time. [laughter] But I think you are a prodigy for growing older and wiser. And then I would say in terms of the sacred, it was always the natural world. I was actually born at home. Exactly. how the wind shakes a tree in a storm Musings and tools to take into your week. I wrote it and then I immediately sent it to an editor whos a friend of mine and said, I dont know if you want this. And it was up the next day on the website. on the back of my dads And I think for all of us, kind of mark this, which is important. I mean, I do right now. Before the dogs chain. But if you look at even the letters we use in our the A actually was initially a drawing of an ox, and M was water. Yeah, I think theres so much value in grief. And isnt it strange that breathing is something that we have to get better at? I remember writing this poem because I really love the word lover, and its a kind of polarizing word. red glare and then there are the bombs. These, it turns out, are as common in human life globally as they are measurably health-giving and immunity-boosting. In fact, Krista interviewed the wise and wonderful Ocean Vuong right on the cusp of that turning, in March 2020, in a joyful and crowded room full of podcasters in Brooklyn. Because I couldnt decide which ones I wanted you to read. That just took me back to this moment in the pandemic where I took so many walks in my neighborhood that Ive lived in for so many years and saw things Id never seen before, including these massive Just suddenly looking down where the trees were and seeing and understanding, just really having this moment where I understood that its their neighborhood and Im living in it. adrienne maree brown "We are in a time of new suns" On Being with Krista Tippett Society & Culture "What a time to be alive," adrienne maree brown has written. Im so excited for your tenure representing poetry and representing all of us, and Im excited that you have so many more years of aging and writing and getting wiser ahead, and we got to be here at this early stage. Yeah. Deeper truths and larger stories of ourselves as societies, as a planet, as humans, that at once complicate and enliven our capacity to live with dignity and joy and wholeness. The original idea, when we say like our, thesis statement, or even when we say like. With an unexpected and exuberant mix of gravity and laughter laughter of delight, and of blessed relief this conversation holds not only what we have traversed these last years, but how we live forward. So my interest, when I get into conversation with a poet, is not to talk about poetry, but to delve into what this way with words and sound and silence teaches us about being fully human this adventure were all on that is by turns treacherous and heartbreaking and revelatory and wondrous. Yeah. Stood for the many mute mouths of the sea, of the land? I think there are things we all learned also. But I think you are a prodigy for growing older and wiser. We were so focused on survival and illness and vaccines and bad news. The On Being Project We want to meet what is hard and hurting. It comes back to these questions of like, Why do I get to be lucky in this way? It feels important to me, right now, because I want to talk to you about this a little bit, what weve been through. A season of big, new, beautiful On Being conversations is here. Ada Limn. And there was an ease, I think, that living in the head-only world was kind of a poets dream on some level. just the bottlebrush alive But when we talk about the limitations of language in general, I find language is so strange. And then Ill say this, that the Library of Congress, theyre amazing, and the Librarian of Congress, Dr. Carla Hayden, had me read this poem, so. And also that phrase, as Ive aged. You say that a lot and I would like to tell you that you have a lot more aging to do. And I feel like poetry makes the world for that experience, as opposed to: Im fine.. I feel like that between space, that liminal space, is a place where we were living for so long, and many of us still living in that between space of, How do I go into the world safely, and how do I move through the world with safety and care-take myself and care-take others. Good conflict. Technology and vitality. A dream. And then what happened was the list that was in my head of poems I wasnt going to write became this poem. So well just be on an adventure together. Here it is again as an offering for Mothers Day in a world still and again in flux, and where the matter of raising new human beings feels as complicated as ever before. writes the word lover in a note and Im strangely, excited for the word lover to come back. Because how do we care for one another? We elevate voices of wisdom and models of wise thinking, speaking, and living. Krista Tippett: I really believe that poetry is something we humans need almost as much as we need water and air. I mean, even that question you asked, What am I supposed to do with all that silence? Thats one way to talk about the challenge of being human and walking through a life. Woodworking and the meaning of life. Thats so wonderful. So well just be on an adventure together. The poets brain is always like that, but theres a little I was just doing the wash, and I was like, Casual, warm, and normal. And I was like, Ooh, I could really go for that.. Youre very young. We have never been exiled. like sustenance, a song where the notes are sung Adventures into what can replenish and orient us in this wild ride of a time to be alive: biomimicry and the science of awe; spiritual contrarianism and social creativity; pause and poetry and more towards stretching into this world ahead with dignity . Page 87. I spoke with Ada Limn at the Ted Mann Concert Hall in Minneapolis. And I kept thinking how I missed all my family, and I missed my father and his wife, and I missed my mother and stepfather. This means that I am in a reciprocal relationship with the natural world, not that it is my job to be the poet that goes and says, Tree, I will describe it to you. [audience laughs] I have a lot of poems that basically are that. So its this weird moment of being aware of it and then also letting it go at the same time. Theres how I stand in the lawn, thats one way. And also Im so happy to be together with you in the old-fashioned flesh, which we no longer take for granted. Yeah. And I think Id just like to end with a few more poems. Patel is a Deseret contributor. teeth right before they break And I was in the backyard by myself, as many of us were by ourselves. Limn: Not the Saddest Thing in the World, All day I feel some itchiness around But time is more spacious than we imagine it to be, and it is more of a friend than we always know. Look, we are not unspectacular things. We were brought together in a collaboration between Northrop at the University of Minnesota and Milkweed Editions. And the Q has the tail of a monkey, and weve forgotten this. On Being is an independent nonprofit production of The On Being Project. and the one that is so relieved to finally be home. And I found it really useful, a really useful tool to go back in and start to think about what was just no longer true, or maybe had never been true. And poetry doesnt really allow you to do that because its working in the smallest units of sound and syllable and clause and line break and then the sentence. Yeah, Ive got a lot of feelings moving through me. I think its very dangerous not to have hope. I think coming back to this idea that poetry is as embodied as it is linguistic. Yeah. (Unedited) The Dalai Lama, Jonathan Sacks, Katharine Jefferts Schori, and Seyyed Hossein Nasr with Krista Tippett. 10 distinct works Similar authors. Tippett: Thats so wonderful. so mute its almost in another year. It is still the river. Also because so much of whats been and again, its not just in the past, what has happened, has been happening below the level of consciousness in our bodies. But each of us has callings, not merely to be professionals, but to be friends, neighbors, colleagues, family, citizens, lovers of the world. I wrote it and then I immediately sent it to an editor whos a friend of mine and said, I dont know if you want this. And it was up the next day on the website. Theres also how I stand in the field across from the street, thats another way because Im farther from people and therefore more likely to be alone. I write. It is still the river. During her 20-plus years as host of public radio's "On Being" show which aired on some 400 stations across the country Krista Tippett and her beautifully varied slate of guests . A scholar of belonging. A scholar of magic. She grew up loving science fiction, and thought wed be driving flying cars by now; and yet, has found in speculative fiction the transformative force of vision and imagination that might in fact save us. And actually, it seemed to me that your marriage was in fine shape. And then you go, Oh no, no, thats just recycling. So thats in the poem. Krista Tippett (2) Rsultats tris par. If youre having trouble writing or creating or whatever it is you make, when was the last time you just sat in silence with yourself and listened to what was happening? And I knew that at 15. should write, huge and round and awful. And together you kind of have this relationship. Which I hadnt had before. Youre never like, Oh, Im just done grieving. I mean, you can pretend you are, right, but we arent. Limn: I think the failure of language is what really draws me to poetry in general. This is like a self-care poem. days a little hazy with fever and waiting So its actually about fostering yourself in the sun, in the right place, creating the right habitat. Do you remember the Colbert Report when Stephen Colbert was doing the earlier show, and he had this one skit where he said, I love breathing, I could do it all day long. [laughter] And I always think about that because of course, its so ironic that we have to think about our breath. Tippett: So can we just engage in this intellectual exercise with you because its completely fascinating and Im not sure whats going on, and Id like you to tell me. Tippett: I have your books, and theres some, too. for all its gross tenderness, a joke told in a sunbeam, Why are all these blank spaces? It has silence built all around it. But its also a land that is really incredibly beautiful and special and sacred in a lot of different ways. It wasnt used as a tool. Oh, definitely. 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